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Subject: Re: Refmac 5.4.0066 versus Refmac 5.4.0034
From: Mark A Saper saper {- at -} UMICH {- dot -} EDU
Date: 2008-01-01

Garib,

Many thanks for pointing out the differences. A couple of more
questions:

1. Could you tell me how 5.4.0033 by default handled the free and
missing reflections in map calculation. Also, is the ccp4i interface
suitable for the latest version of refmac --- I add the extra
keywords (like anom formfactor) in an "extra-param" file.

2. In version 5.4.0066 version I noticed this line in the log file:

Before the second run
Unknown atom for fprime and f2prime calculation

I didn't receive this error in the older version. Please explain.
I'm only specifying f' and f'' for the Selenium.

Thanks,
Mark
On Jan 1, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Garib Murshudov wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> Could you please try again.
> you are right. In case when you gave anom formfactor then f' was
> added twice. In this version f' is added correctly. In the previous
> version it was added in wrong place.
>
> Geometry is tighter because we have fixed few bugs related with
> chirality and vdw.
>
> Garib
>
>
> On 1 Jan 2008, at 14:40, Mark A Saper wrote:
>
>> Thanks for those pointing out my cut and paste error. Below are
>> the correct numbers. The first term of the formfactor is almost
>> twice as high compared to the other version. I suspect it is
>> because the newer version is using the wavelength in the
>> calculation, and the old version didn't.
>>
>> Any help from the authors would be greatly appreciated.
>> Mark
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Well, I guess one shouldn't change versions of refmac in the
>> middle of a structure refinement. What are the major differences
>> between .0034 and .0066 ? I noted that form factors for the Se
>> atom have changed dramatically even though I'm using the same "
>> anom formfactor SE -8.13 5.05 " command. Is this because the
>> program is now using the wavelength on the .MTZ file ?
>>
>> with .0034:
>>
>> SE 8.8706 2.4098 5.8196 0.2726 3.9731 15.2372
>> 4.3543 43.8163 2.8409
>>
>> with .0066:
>>
>> SE 17.0006 2.4098 5.8196 0.2726 3.9731 15.2372
>> 4.3543 43.8163 -11.7969
>>
>> The other major difference is that explicit weight that I was
>> using = 0.25 is weighting the geometry much more in .0066 compared
>> with .0034. Also the refinement is not as well behaved as it was
>> in 0.0034.
>>
>> What has really changed?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> _________________________________
>> Mark A. Saper, Ph.D.
>> Associate Professor, Biophysics and Department of Biological
>> Chemistry
>> University of Michigan
>> 3040 Chemistry Building
>> 930 N University Ave
>> Ann Arbor MI 48109-1055
>>
>> saper@umich.edu phone (734) 764-3353 fax (734)
>> 764-3323 Research summary
>>
>

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University of Michigan
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930 N University Ave
Ann Arbor MI 48109-1055

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