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Subject: Re: indexing multiple lattices
From: Clemens Vonrhein vonrhein {- at -} GLOBALPHASING {- dot -} COM
Date: 2008-02-18

On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 01:58:59PM +0100, Jason Greenwald wrote:
> I have a crystal that grows with multiple lattices despite the fact
> that the crystals look more or less like single crystals under the
> microscope.
>
> With a lot of guesswork I am able to index with mosflm by carefully
> selecting spots that appear to be in the same lattice.
> Now I would like to use the known cell and symmetry to index more
> datasets that have the same "twinning" problem.

This is real fun to do - you can even index/integrate these several
lattices: gives you higher multiplicity etc. But (there's always a
but): be careful in using the data. It is very likely that a very
large proportion of reflexions overlap - either completely or
partially. There are ways of classifying these reflections, but a
better way is to use a program that can process these twinned crystals
(and no: neither XDS nor MOSFLM can ... at least not without hacking
the source code or doing some other weird stuff).

> Is there any way to do a search of crystal orientation matrices
> with a known cell to find the best fit to the diffraction pattern?
> The data were collected on the Pilatus6M detector so I am limited to
> mosflm and XDS for processing. Both packages always trying to index
> the crystal without using the known cell and symmetry to get the
> orientation matrix.

Not quite true: in both packages you can give the cell and
symmetry. I'm not sure how it is handled internally exactly by those
programs - but it seems to me that MOSFLM will use this information
only after autoindexing to pick a solution closests to the user-given
cell/symmetry. I _think_ XDS might use that info a bit earlier during
indexing. But I could be wrong on both accounts.

> I thought of writing a script to do a full search
> (testing all orientations sequentially) in mosflm but I thought that
> I should submit to the experts before I try anything.

If you want some more detailed 'recipe' for processing
non-merohedrally twinned crystals with XDS, please let me know
directly. However, if you're planning to use that data for
experimental phasing on a medium to small signal: don't get your hopes
up. It might be enough for molecular replacement (not that MR wouldn't
be helped with good data as well ...).

Cheers

Clemens

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