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CCP4bb navigationCCP4bb <-- 1999 <-- November 1999 <-- 30 November 1999Subject: Re: Swiss humour - no laughing matter? (Re: process SeMet labelled data) From: dirk {- dot -} kostrewa {- at -} PSI {- dot -} CH Date: 2007-03-01 Goede dag Gerard, interesting that you think my last e-mail was addressed to you ;-)! Yes, this was my first moralizing posting on this board after some 16 years. A bit sense of humor is fine, but the last posting was simply too much. We shouldn't attack people personally or discriminate against them, even if they don't follow a general policy about how to ask questions. Dirk. Gerard DVD Kleywegt wrote: > gruzi dirk, > > come on - lighten up a little! your reply wasn't funny or helpful either > - just moralising. (by the way - 't is a strange fact that whenever i > get any negative reactions to my own postings they stem *exclusively* > from any or all of these three countries: the us, germany and > switzerland. positive reactions, on the other hand, are typically from > (again) the us and the uk. i think there might be a phd thesis in there > for some cultural anthropologist) > > to address your point - we are here to try and answer queries, not to > teach people crystallography from the ground up. that's what supervisors > are for. and my advice to students without (access to) > crystallographically trained supervisors would be to apply for a good > course (e.g., the one in cold spring harbor every autumn), to move > elsewhere or to not do crystallography (so as to avoid mono-, di-, tri-, > tetra- or pentaretractions, which tend to be a bit of a blot on anyone's > cv) > > i think this is the point that the people who replied "carefully" etc. > were making, albeit more succinctly and humourously (albeit a trifle > sarcastically, perhaps). moreover, these replies came from people who > have contributed seriously to ccp4bb on numerous occasions! > > look, we're all busy, and time-waster postings are annoying. such > postings, and moralisations about "good style", can eventually tee off > the experts who take the time to share their knowledge and expertise. if > joe bloggs, who never posts anything, is annoyed by one of my posts and > unsubscribes, that's his loss. if, however, people like tassos > unsubscribe it's *our* loss! > > so, dear subscribers: before posting a question - ask your supervisor > and/or your colleagues. if they can't help you, search the web with > google (in many cases your question will have been asked, and answered, > before). if you're still not happy, then by all means post a message to > the appropriate bulletin board > > darn! look what you've made me do! now i'm moralising myself! guess i'd > better move to switzerland then ;-) > > --dvd > > > > On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Dirk Kostrewa wrote: > >> Hi Mark, >> >> although Shivesh's question was not very specific, and he should have >> clearly given some more informations about what he would like to know, >> he is probably a beginner in crystallography and simply asked for help >> on this board. Not everyone has always time or is always in the mood >> to answer such questions. In my opinion, it's then better not to >> respond at all than to give an answer like yours that is neither >> helpful nor funny! We all should try to keep a good style here. >> >> Dirk. >> >> Mark J. van Raaij wrote: >>> why don't you just send all your images to the ccp4bb, then we'll >>> process them, solve the structure and publish it for you. >>> And we might put you in the acknowledgements, if you are lucky. >>> Mark >>> On 28 Feb 2007, at 16:35, Jonathan Grimes wrote: >>> >>>> Anastassis Perrakis wrote: >>>>> On Feb 28, 2007, at 14:37, shivesh kumar wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> I have a data set at 2.2A, of the selenomethionene labelled >>>>>> protein.How should I process the data. >>>>> >>>>> Carefully ! >>>>> >>>>>> Thanx for the help. >>>>>> Shivesh >>>>> >>>>> Tassos >>>> >>>> >>>> i am sure what tassos really meant was "Very Carefully !" >>>> >>>> jon >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Jonathan M. Grimes, Royal Society Research Fellow University >>>> Research Lecturer >>>> Division of Structural Biology >>>> Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics >>>> University of Oxford >>>> Roosevelt Drive, >>>> Oxford OX3 7BN, UK >>>> >>>> Email: Jonathan@strubi.ox.ac.uk, Web: www.strubi.ox.ac.uk Tel: (+44) >>>> - 1865 - 287561, FAX: (+44) - 1865 - 287547 >>> >>> Mark J. van Raaij >>> Dpto de Bioquímica, Facultad de Farmacia >>> and >>> Unidad de Rayos X, Edificio CACTUS >>> Universidad de Santiago >>> 15782 Santiago de Compostela >>> Spain >>> http://web.usc.es/~vanraaij/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> **************************************** >> Dirk Kostrewa >> Paul Scherrer Institut >> Biomolecular Research, OFLC/110 >> CH-5232 Villigen PSI, Switzerland >> Phone: +41-56-310-4722 >> Fax: +41-56-310-5288 >> E-mail: dirk.kostrewa@psi.ch >> http://sb.web.psi.ch >> **************************************** >> > > > with best regards, > > --gerard > > ****************************************************************** > Gerard J. Kleywegt > [Research Fellow of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences] > Dept. of Cell & Molecular Biology University of Uppsala > Biomedical Centre Box 596 > SE-751 24 Uppsala SWEDEN > > http://xray.bmc.uu.se/gerard/ mailto:gerard@xray.bmc.uu.se > ****************************************************************** > The opinions in this message are fictional. Any similarity > to actual opinions, living or dead, is purely coincidental. > ****************************************************************** -- **************************************** Dirk Kostrewa Paul Scherrer Institut Biomolecular Research, OFLC/110 CH-5232 Villigen PSI, Switzerland Phone: +41-56-310-4722 Fax: +41-56-310-5288 E-mail: dirk.kostrewa@psi.ch http://sb.web.psi.ch **************************************** CCP4bb navigationCCP4bb <-- 1999 <-- November 1999 <-- 30 November 1999 |
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