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Re: [ccp4bb] Swiss humour - no laughing matter? (Re: [ccp4bb] process SeMet labelled data) |
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CCP4bb navigationCCP4bb <-- 2007 <-- March 2007 <-- 01 March 2007Subject: Re: Swiss humour - no laughing matter? (Re: process SeMet labelled data) From: jstroud {- at -} MBI {- dot -} UCLA {- dot -} EDU Date: 2007-03-01 to this link before trying to sort out among themselves exactly what level of humor to take with dubious posts: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Of course usenet mavens also complain a little too much about "top- posting"--an aspect of ccp4bb that gives it special charm. James On Mar 1, 2007, at 1:31 AM, Gerard DVD Kleywegt wrote: > gruzi dirk, > > come on - lighten up a little! your reply wasn't funny or helpful > either - just moralising. (by the way - 't is a strange fact that > whenever i get any negative reactions to my own postings they stem > *exclusively* from any or all of these three countries: the us, > germany and switzerland. positive reactions, on the other hand, are > typically from (again) the us and the uk. i think there might be a > phd thesis in there for some cultural anthropologist) > > to address your point - we are here to try and answer queries, not > to teach people crystallography from the ground up. that's what > supervisors are for. and my advice to students without (access to) > crystallographically trained supervisors would be to apply for a > good course (e.g., the one in cold spring harbor every autumn), to > move elsewhere or to not do crystallography (so as to avoid mono-, > di-, tri-, tetra- or pentaretractions, which tend to be a bit of a > blot on anyone's cv) > > i think this is the point that the people who replied "carefully" > etc. were making, albeit more succinctly and humourously (albeit a > trifle sarcastically, perhaps). moreover, these replies came from > people who have contributed seriously to ccp4bb on numerous occasions! > > look, we're all busy, and time-waster postings are annoying. such > postings, and moralisations about "good style", can eventually tee > off the experts who take the time to share their knowledge and > expertise. if joe bloggs, who never posts anything, is annoyed by > one of my posts and unsubscribes, that's his loss. if, however, > people like tassos unsubscribe it's *our* loss! > > so, dear subscribers: before posting a question - ask your > supervisor and/or your colleagues. if they can't help you, search > the web with google (in many cases your question will have been > asked, and answered, before). if you're still not happy, then by > all means post a message to the appropriate bulletin board > > darn! look what you've made me do! now i'm moralising myself! guess > i'd better move to switzerland then ;-) > > --dvd > > > > On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Dirk Kostrewa wrote: > >> Hi Mark, >> >> although Shivesh's question was not very specific, and he should >> have clearly given some more informations about what he would like >> to know, he is probably a beginner in crystallography and simply >> asked for help on this board. Not everyone has always time or is >> always in the mood to answer such questions. In my opinion, it's >> then better not to respond at all than to give an answer like >> yours that is neither helpful nor funny! We all should try to keep >> a good style here. >> >> Dirk. >> >> Mark J. van Raaij wrote: >>> why don't you just send all your images to the ccp4bb, then we'll >>> process them, solve the structure and publish it for you. >>> And we might put you in the acknowledgements, if you are lucky. >>> Mark >>> On 28 Feb 2007, at 16:35, Jonathan Grimes wrote: >>>> Anastassis Perrakis wrote: >>>>> On Feb 28, 2007, at 14:37, shivesh kumar wrote: >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> I have a data set at 2.2A, of the selenomethionene labelled >>>>>> protein.How should I process the data. >>>>> Carefully ! >>>>>> Thanx for the help. >>>>>> Shivesh >>>>> Tassos >>>> >>>> i am sure what tassos really meant was "Very Carefully !" >>>> >>>> jon >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Jonathan M. Grimes, Royal Society Research Fellow >>>> University Research Lecturer >>>> Division of Structural Biology >>>> Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics >>>> University of Oxford >>>> Roosevelt Drive, >>>> Oxford OX3 7BN, UK >>>> Email: Jonathan@strubi.ox.ac.uk, Web: www.strubi.ox.ac.uk Tel: >>>> (+44) - 1865 - 287561, FAX: (+44) - 1865 - 287547 >>> Mark J. van Raaij >>> Dpto de Bioquímica, Facultad de Farmacia >>> and >>> Unidad de Rayos X, Edificio CACTUS >>> Universidad de Santiago >>> 15782 Santiago de Compostela >>> Spain >>> http://web.usc.es/~vanraaij/ >> >> >> -- >> >> **************************************** >> Dirk Kostrewa >> Paul Scherrer Institut >> Biomolecular Research, OFLC/110 >> CH-5232 Villigen PSI, Switzerland >> Phone: +41-56-310-4722 >> Fax: +41-56-310-5288 >> E-mail: dirk.kostrewa@psi.ch >> http://sb.web.psi.ch >> **************************************** >> > > > with best regards, > > --gerard > > ****************************************************************** > Gerard J. Kleywegt > [Research Fellow of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences] > Dept. of Cell & Molecular Biology University of Uppsala > Biomedical Centre Box 596 > SE-751 24 Uppsala SWEDEN > > http://xray.bmc.uu.se/gerard/ mailto:gerard@xray.bmc.uu.se > ****************************************************************** > The opinions in this message are fictional. Any similarity > to actual opinions, living or dead, is purely coincidental. > ****************************************************************** CCP4bb navigationCCP4bb <-- 2007 <-- March 2007 <-- 01 March 2007 |
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