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CCP4bb navigationCCP4bb <-- 1999 <-- November 1999 <-- 30 November 1999Subject: Re: buster-tnt on OSX ? From: James Stroud jstroud {- at -} MBI {- dot -} UCLA {- dot -} EDU Date: 2008-10-27 Yikes! Apologies if that was over the top. I guess the chisanbop comment did not properly convey the hyperbole, and hence humor, I was trying to achieve. Hopefully my comments can still be taken as the constructive criticism they were intended to be. James On Oct 26, 2008, at 4:57 PM, Gerard Bricogne wrote: > Dear James, > > I am rather surprised and disappointed to find such an > intemperate, > ill-judged and almost slanderous statement from you, especially in a > posting > to a bulletin board that is intended for the sharing of experience > and good > will and to which you have been such a regular and valued contributor. > > To deal with slander first: Global phasing has been operating > for over > 10 years without ever being, or intending to be, anyone's chance to > "just > try and make a buck". We develop our software thank to a mix of > funding that > does include industrial sponsors, but we distribute it free of > charge to > academic users (since 2002 we have issued over 3500 licence keys for > SHARP > to academic users). We even give support to academic users, and > spare no > pains in doing so, as many users can testify: this is not exactly > the most > lucrative occupation if one is looking to make a buck. Global > Phasing's > staff consists of eight scientists, plus one part-time person to > keep the > books and get the annual accounts audited. The company has never had > any > investors, and spends all its income on scientists' salaries and > running > costs. Perhaps the ".com" suffix has acquired a bad smell in other > parts of > the world, but in this case your insinuations are badly misguided. > > If you have had difficulties installing software from us, a more > constructive form of feedback would be to write to us at sharp- > develop or > buster-develop (both @globalphasing.com) and explain the nature of > those > difficulties. We have often found that the worst problems occur when > people, > instead of writing to us, start to try and hack the scripts > themselves and > end up tying themselves in inextricable knots. One of your remarks > seems to > want to imply that we have taken a perverse pleasure in making > installations > difficult. It is true that we still carry a legacy from earlier days > when > some of our sponsors wanted to be able to distribute jobs over > heterogeneous > clusters of machines and to view the results from any other machine > on that > network, while most users today just want to run everything on one > machine. > Our installation procedures have kept evolving to become simpler and > more > robust, although the need to link up with several third-party > packages makes > it hard to suppress complexity entirely. If you happen to have > constructive > suggestions to make in this direction, we will be only too happy to > listen > to them and will do our best to make use of them. We do have, > however, to > weigh up how much time to devote to these issues, vs. how much to > developing > and implementing new methods. > > I hope you will take the time to write to either of the mailing > lists I > indicated above to explain what simplifications you would like to > see in our > current installation procedures, and look forward to reading them. > > > With best wishes, > > Gerard. > > > -- > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 01:40:35AM -0700, James Stroud wrote: >> The info at >> >> http://www.globalphasing.com/buster/installation/index.html#requirements >> >> will give you some hints about whether it will be successful on OS >> X. As >> per the Global Phasing modus operandi, any instruction involving >> installation of their software is muddled in riddle and ambiguity. >> They >> have made an art of making their software difficult to install. I >> guess the >> philosophy is that if you can somehow get their software installed, >> then >> you have earned your phase information. Personally, I'd rather >> solve my >> structure with using chisanbop and a pencil than attempt to install >> Global >> Phasing software. >> >> Speaking from experience, this is my 2c. Apologies if I hurt anyone's >> feelings who are "just trying to make a buck". >> >> James >> >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 24, 2008, at 9:39 AM, jacques-philippe colletier wrote: >> >>> Hi everydoby, >>> I`d like to know if there is a version of BUSTER-TNT available on >>> MacOSX ? >>> Anyone knows ? >>> >>> >>> ***************************************** >>> Dr. Jacques-Philippe Colletier >>> UCLA / DOE Institute for Genomics and Proteomics >>> 90095 Los Angeles, CA, USA >>> ***************************************** >>> jpcolletier@mbi.ucla.edu >>> jpcolletier@hotmail.com >>> ***************************************** >> >> -- >> James Stroud >> UCLA-DOE Institute for Genomics and Proteomics >> Box 951570 >> Los Angeles, CA 90095 >> >> http://www.jamesstroud.com > > -- > > =============================================================== > * * > * Gerard Bricogne gb10@GlobalPhasing.com * > * * > * Global Phasing Ltd. * > * Sheraton House, Castle Park Tel: +44-(0)1223-353033 * > * Cambridge CB3 0AX, UK Fax: +44-(0)1223-366889 * > * * > =============================================================== -- James Stroud UCLA-DOE Institute for Genomics and Proteomics Box 951570 Los Angeles, CA 90095 http://www.jamesstroud.com CCP4bb navigationCCP4bb <-- 1999 <-- November 1999 <-- 30 November 1999 |
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