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Re: [ccp4bb] refinment in lower space group vs. higher

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Subject: Re: refinment in lower space group vs. higher
From: James Holton JMHolton {- at -} LBL {- dot -} GOV
Date: 2009-01-03
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Subject: Re: refinment in lower space group vs. higher
From: Anastassis Perrakis a {- dot -} perrakis {- at -} NKI {- dot -} NL
Date: 2009-01-03

Also try BALBES from the York site supplying the high symmetry data
and let it check things for you.

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On 3 Jan 2009, at 14:40, James Holton wrote:

> You should pick your free-R set in C2221 and then symmetry-expand it
> to C2. Otherwise, every hkl in your "free" R set will have an NCS
> "mate" in the working set, and using NCS restrains will completely
> invalidate the free R analysis. That is, your free-R will be
> essentially equal to the regular crystallographic R and it will be
> possible to take a completely wrong MR solution and refine it to an
> "acceptable" free R, and if you do that, we will all make fun of you.
>
> -James Holton
> MAD Scientist
>
> Yu Jiang wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I am now refining one structure in space group C2 with 2 molecules,
>> however we find the data can be processed in C2221 with 1 molecule.
>> The questions are:
>>
>> 1. Can I still use space group C2 instead of C2221, even if the two
>> molecules almost have crystallographic symmetry? Should I provide
>> any excuses?
>>
>> 2. Is there any indication or necessity to refine structures in
>> lower space group instead of higher?
>>
>> Many thanks!
>>
>>




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