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CCP4bb navigationCCP4bb <-- 2007 <-- May 2007 <-- 10 May 2007Subject: Re: CCP4 GUI From: Tim Grune tim {- dot -} grune {- at -} SYNCHROTRON {- dot -} VIC {- dot -} GOV {- dot -} AU Date: 2007-05-10 now), this magic button has been there, and it has even been in the 'lower left corner': When you hold your mouse button on the "Run" button, a submenu appears, the second item of which is saying "Run&View com file". This opens an editable window with the script used to run the ccp4-program. This, by the way, is very handy for setting the matrix weight in Refmac5 to 'auto', as recommended by the authors of ARP/wARP. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Roger Rowlett To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:44:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 GUI I think a "tweak script" button or option (before running) would be an excellent idea. Cheers, ___________________________________________ Roger S. Rowlett Professor Department of Chemistry Colgate University 13 Oak Drive Hamilton, NY 13346 tel: (315)-228-7245 ofc: (315)-228-7395 fax: (315)-228-7935 email: rrowlett@mail.colgate.edu -----Original Message----- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Juergen Bosch Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 10:40 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 GUI Hi Martyn, how about option c: in each gui window at the lower left corner have a button called "Display script", or call it "Expert Mode" if people feel better as "Experts" :-) , before running of course. Then people who would like to edit their stuff could do so before running the script. I think it would be scary to many if the "Expert Mode" actually would display all other options available for that particular program - for this you have the RTFM* I tend to use the GUI only for standard stuff and keep migrating my scripts from directories to directories, which if you run a search on say e.g. "refmac." spits out a ton of handcrafted scripts for each project - maybe also not the best thing to do, but that's how it is. Juergen * Fine of course, what else ! Martyn Winn wrote: >This is timely. We're in the process of a) trying to organise a major >effort to tidy up the existing ccp4i classic (rather than fire-fighting >problems), and b) thinking about designing the next generation. Not >sure which this is. Option b) would be a project over several years. > >Can you elucidate further. As an expert user, would you want a less >scary free text box (which is essentially what Run&View Com File is), >or actual widgets for every option. The latter could be done as a >hidden folder, made visible according to an Expert switch in >Preferences. > >As developers, we also have to think about long-term maintainability. >Options, in particular little-used options, can soon become >out-of-date. > >m > > >On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 12:41 +0200, Miguel Ortiz Lombardia wrote: > > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>Dear all, >> >>I'm a well-known luddite as Eleanor says. However, I shamelessly >>confess that the CCP4 GUI is great. Not that I think this is necessary >>here, I'm sure most people agree with that. >> >>If I write now is because Martynn's e-mail have reminded me of >>something I thought once, but forgot to ask for to the ccp4i >>developpers: perhaps the GUI could have "two faces/modes", a basic one >>and an expert/advanced one. I understand that they already exist, but >>the "expert" one is hidden under the "Run&View Com File", while I'm >>thinking on a real expert GUI-mode. Users should be able to choose one >>or the other in their defaults, or switch from one to the other >>on-the-fly. >> >>I don't have a particular problem in editing the scripts as it is done >>now, but I have found that students tend to get a bit nervous about >>doing it themselves ;-) >> >>Cheers, >> >> >>Miguel >> >>Martyn Winn escribió: >> >> >>>The level of detail in the GUI is a matter of constant debate. The >>>underlying programs are far far richer, so the question is how much >>>to expose in the GUI. We try to get a balance between ease-of-use and >>>coverage, but it won't always work. BTW I don't think we ever claimed >>>that ccp4i (or anything else in ccp4) is "finished" ;-) >>> >>>Having said that, we're always happy to hear about specific defects >>>in the GUI. When reporting these to ccp4@dl.ac.uk please give as much >>>information as possible, in particular knowing the context is always >>>helpful. >>> >>>Cheers >>>Martyn >>> >>> > > > > -- Jürgen Bosch University of Washington Dept. of Biochemistry, K-426 1705 NE Pacific Street Seattle, WA 98195 Box 357742 Phone: +1-206-616-4510 FAX: +1-206-685-7002 CCP4bb navigationCCP4bb <-- 2007 <-- May 2007 <-- 10 May 2007 |
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