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From: Tim Grune tim {- dot -} grune {- at -} SYNCHROTRON {- dot -} VIC {- dot -} GOV {- dot -} AU
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Subject: Re: CCP4 GUI
From: Juergen Bosch jbosch {- at -} U {- dot -} WASHINGTON {- dot -} EDU
Date: 2007-05-10

Hi Tim,

I just had a conversation with somebody who pointed that out to me, that
tells you how much I use the GUI :-)
Thanks,

Juergen

Tim Grune wrote:

> As long as I have been using the ccp4i (which has been a couple of
> years now), this magic button has been there, and it has even been in
> the 'lower left corner': When you hold your mouse button on the "Run"
> button, a submenu appears, the second item of which is saying
> "Run&View com file". This opens an editable window with the script
> used to run the ccp4-program.
>
>
> This, by the way, is very handy for setting the matrix weight in
> Refmac5 to 'auto', as recommended by the authors of ARP/wARP.
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Rowlett
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:44:13 -0400
> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 GUI
>
> I think a "tweak script" button or option (before running) would
> be an excellent idea.
>
> Cheers,
>
> ___________________________________________
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf
> Of Juergen Bosch
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 10:40 AM
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 GUI
>
>
> Hi Martyn,
>
> how about option c:
>
> in each gui window at the lower left corner have a button called
> "Display script", or call it "Expert Mode" if people feel better as
> "Experts" :-) , before running of course. Then people who would
> like to
> edit their stuff could do so before running the script. I think it
> would
> be scary to many if the "Expert Mode" actually would display all
> other
> options available for that particular program - for this you have
> the RTFM*
>
> I tend to use the GUI only for standard stuff and keep migrating my
> scripts from directories to directories, which if you run a search on
> say e.g. "refmac." spits out a ton of handcrafted scripts for each
> project - maybe also not the best thing to do, but that's how it is.
>
> Juergen
>
> * Fine of course, what else !
>
> Martyn Winn wrote:
>
> >This is timely. We're in the process of a) trying to organise a
> major
> >effort to tidy up the existing ccp4i classic (rather than
> fire-fighting
> >problems), and b) thinking about designing the next generation. Not
> >sure which this is. Option b) would be a project over several years.
> >
> >Can you elucidate further. As an expert user, would you want a less
> >scary free text box (which is essentially what Run&View Com File
> is),
> >or actual widgets for every option. The latter could be done as a
> >hidden folder, made visible according to an Expert switch in
> >Preferences.
> >
> >As developers, we also have to think about long-term
> maintainability.
> >Options, in particular little-used options, can soon become
> >out-of-date.
> >
> >m
> >
> >
> >On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 12:41 +0200, Miguel Ortiz Lombardia wrote:
> >
> >
> >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >>Hash: SHA1
> >>
> >>Dear all,
> >>
> >>I'm a well-known luddite as Eleanor says. However, I shamelessly
> >>confess that the CCP4 GUI is great. Not that I think this is
> necessary
> >>here, I'm sure most people agree with that.
> >>
> >>If I write now is because Martynn's e-mail have reminded me of
> >>something I thought once, but forgot to ask for to the ccp4i
> >>developpers: perhaps the GUI could have "two faces/modes", a
> basic one
> >>and an expert/advanced one. I understand that they already
> exist, but
> >>the "expert" one is hidden under the "Run&View Com File", while I'm
> >>thinking on a real expert GUI-mode. Users should be able to
> choose one
> >>or the other in their defaults, or switch from one to the other
> >>on-the-fly.
> >>
> >>I don't have a particular problem in editing the scripts as it
> is done
> >>now, but I have found that students tend to get a bit nervous about
> >>doing it themselves ;-)
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>
> >>
> >>Miguel
> >>
> >>Martyn Winn escribió:
> >>
> >>
> >>>The level of detail in the GUI is a matter of constant debate. The
> >>>underlying programs are far far richer, so the question is how
> much
> >>>to expose in the GUI. We try to get a balance between
> ease-of-use and
> >>>coverage, but it won't always work. BTW I don't think we ever
> claimed
> >>>that ccp4i (or anything else in ccp4) is "finished" ;-)
> >>>
> >>>Having said that, we're always happy to hear about specific
> defects
> >>>in the GUI. When reporting these to ccp4@dl.ac.uk please give
> as much
> >>>information as possible, in particular knowing the context is
> always
> >>>helpful.
> >>>
> >>>Cheers
> >>>Martyn
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Jürgen Bosch
> University of Washington
> Dept. of Biochemistry, K-426
> 1705 NE Pacific Street
> Seattle, WA 98195
> Box 357742
> Phone: +1-206-616-4510
> FAX: +1-206-685-7002
>

--
Jürgen Bosch
University of Washington
Dept. of Biochemistry, K-426
1705 NE Pacific Street
Seattle, WA 98195
Box 357742
Phone: +1-206-616-4510
FAX: +1-206-685-7002

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