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CCP4bb navigationCCP4bb <-- 2007 <-- March 2007 <-- 01 March 2007Subject: Fwd: Swiss humour - no laughing matter? (Re: process SeMet labelled data) From: Klaus {- dot -} Piontek {- at -} OCBC {- dot -} UNI-FREIBURG {- dot -} DE Date: 2007-03-01 wohl", with Umlaut=vowel mutation) to all CCP4BB subscribers, being a CCP4BB reader (and sometimes writer) since something like 15 years, I realized today that the comment of Gerard was the first one I read since then containing a side-swipe regarding the nationality or the national character of authors. I think, within a multinational scientific community with a very long lasting tradition of internationalism such comments should be beyond this forum. On the other hand Gerard's comment contains a somewhat humorous (Swiss, Swedish, German, Dutch, ... kind of?) aspect, since it refers partly to Switzerland, a country where many foreigners live and work, including Germans like Dirk. I would guess a situation similar like in Sweden or The Netherlands, isn't it? Sorry being German too I could not resist making such a moralizing comment. Coming back to the original question from Shivesh Kumar, I believe Dirk is right. Shivas' question was not very specific. He probably simply wanted to know how to process MAD data correctly e.g. regarding the anomalous signal, which resulted sometimes in sign problems when using CCP4 programs (at least with previous versions), if I remember it correctly. Such questions came up frequently in the past and were not answered in a nasty/sarcastic way. --cd Dr. Klaus Piontek Albert-Ludwigs-University Freiburg -ALU-FR- (ALU-FR is an equal opportunity employer dedicated to the goal of building a culturally diverse and pluralistic community with a multicultural environment) Institute of Organic Chemistry and Biochemistry, Room 401 H Albertstrasse 21 D-79104 Freiburg Germany Phone: ++49-761-203-6036 Fax: ++49-761-203-8714 Email: Klaus.Piontek@ocbc.uni-freiburg.de Web: http://www.chemie.uni-freiburg.de/orgbio/w3platt/ >X-Real-To: >X-RAL-MFrom: >X-RAL-Connect: >X-CCLRC-SPAM-report: 0 : >Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:31:06 +0100 >Reply-To: Gerard DVD Kleywegt >Sender: CCP4 bulletin board >From: Gerard DVD Kleywegt >Subject: [ccp4bb] Swiss humour - no laughing >matter? (Re: [ccp4bb] process SeMet labelled >data) >Comments: To: Dirk Kostrewa >To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK >List-Help: > >List-Unsubscribe: >List-Subscribe: >List-Owner: >List-Archive: > >gruzi dirk, > >come on - lighten up a little! your reply wasn't >funny or helpful either - just moralising. (by >the way - 't is a strange fact that whenever i >get any negative reactions to my own postings >they stem *exclusively* from any or all of these >three countries: the us, germany and >switzerland. positive reactions, on the other >hand, are typically from (again) the us and the >uk. i think there might be a phd thesis in there >for some cultural anthropologist) > >to address your point - we are here to try and >answer queries, not to teach people >crystallography from the ground up. that's what >supervisors are for. and my advice to students >without (access to) crystallographically trained >supervisors would be to apply for a good course >(e.g., the one in cold spring harbor every >autumn), to move elsewhere or to not do >crystallography (so as to avoid mono-, di-, >tri-, tetra- or pentaretractions, which tend to >be a bit of a blot on anyone's cv) > >i think this is the point that the people who >replied "carefully" etc. were making, albeit >more succinctly and humourously (albeit a trifle >sarcastically, perhaps). moreover, these replies >came from people who have contributed seriously >to ccp4bb on numerous occasions! > >look, we're all busy, and time-waster postings >are annoying. such postings, and moralisations >about "good style", can eventually tee off the >experts who take the time to share their >knowledge and expertise. if joe bloggs, who >never posts anything, is annoyed by one of my >posts and unsubscribes, that's his loss. if, >however, people like tassos unsubscribe it's >*our* loss! > >so, dear subscribers: before posting a question >- ask your supervisor and/or your colleagues. if >they can't help you, search the web with google >(in many cases your question will have been >asked, and answered, before). if you're still >not happy, then by all means post a message to >the appropriate bulletin board > >darn! look what you've made me do! now i'm >moralising myself! guess i'd better move to >switzerland then ;-) > >--dvd > > > >On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Dirk Kostrewa wrote: > >>Hi Mark, >> >>although Shivesh's question was not very >>specific, and he should have clearly given some >>more informations about what he would like to >>know, he is probably a beginner in >>crystallography and simply asked for help on >>this board. Not everyone has always time or is >>always in the mood to answer such questions. In >>my opinion, it's then better not to respond at >>all than to give an answer like yours that is >>neither helpful nor funny! We all should try to >>keep a good style here. >> >>Dirk. >> >>Mark J. van Raaij wrote: >>>why don't you just send all your images to the >>>ccp4bb, then we'll process them, solve the >>>structure and publish it for you. >>>And we might put you in the acknowledgements, if you are lucky. >>>Mark >>>On 28 Feb 2007, at 16:35, Jonathan Grimes wrote: >>> >>>>Anastassis Perrakis wrote: >>>>>On Feb 28, 2007, at 14:37, shivesh kumar wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Dear all, >>>>>>I have a data set at 2.2A, of the >>>>>>selenomethionene labelled protein.How >>>>>>should I process the data. >>>>> >>>>>Carefully ! >>>>> >>>>>>Thanx for the help. >>>>>>Shivesh >>>>> >>>>>Tassos >>>> >>>> >>>> i am sure what tassos really meant was "Very Carefully !" >>>> >>>> jon >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Dr. Jonathan M. Grimes, Royal Society >>>>Research Fellow University Research >>>>Lecturer >>>>Division of Structural Biology >>>>Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics >>>>University of Oxford >>>>Roosevelt Drive, >>>>Oxford OX3 7BN, UK >>>> >>>>Email: Jonathan@strubi.ox.ac.uk, Web: >>>>www.strubi.ox.ac.uk Tel: (+44) - 1865 - >>>>287561, FAX: (+44) - 1865 - 287547 >>> >>>Mark J. van Raaij >>>Dpto de Bioquímica, Facultad de Farmacia >>>and >>>Unidad de Rayos X, Edificio CACTUS >>>Universidad de Santiago >>>15782 Santiago de Compostela >>>Spain >>>http://web.usc.es/~vanraaij/ >>> >>> >> >> >>-- >> >>**************************************** >>Dirk Kostrewa >>Paul Scherrer Institut >>Biomolecular Research, OFLC/110 >>CH-5232 Villigen PSI, Switzerland >>Phone: +41-56-310-4722 >>Fax: +41-56-310-5288 >>E-mail: dirk.kostrewa@psi.ch >>http://sb.web.psi.ch >>**************************************** >> > > >with best regards, > >--gerard > >****************************************************************** > Gerard J. Kleywegt > [Research Fellow of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences] >Dept. of Cell & Molecular Biology University of Uppsala > Biomedical Centre Box 596 > SE-751 24 Uppsala SWEDEN > > http://xray.bmc.uu.se/gerard/ mailto:gerard@xray.bmc.uu.se >****************************************************************** > The opinions in this message are fictional. Any similarity > to actual opinions, living or dead, is purely coincidental. >****************************************************************** -- Dr. Klaus Piontek Albert-Ludwigs-University Freiburg Institute of Organic Chemistry and Biochemistry, Room 401 H Albertstrasse 21 D-79104 Freiburg Germany Phone: ++49-761-203-6036 Fax: ++49-761-203-8714 Email: Klaus.Piontek@ocbc.uni-freiburg.de Web: http://www.chemie.uni-freiburg.de/orgbio/w3platt/ CCP4bb navigationCCP4bb <-- 2007 <-- March 2007 <-- 01 March 2007 |
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